Saturday, May 17, 2008

Come and See at - the uncensored Talmud online!

Students of Jewish theology will warmly welcome the sterling efforts of the good ol' boys and girls at - something more than just a website, where everyone can now download their very own personal copy of the foremost English language translation of the Jews' holy book, the Talmud. And not just the juicy bits about non-Jews being no better than cattle and fit only for eternal slavery, either! Nope, the C&H on-line Talmud covers the broader scope of this most controversial source of Jewish religious law, too. The Talmud is notorious among observers of the Jewish Problem for its vitriolic 'hate-speak' towards non-Jews, but there's also a lot of common-sense wisdom in it, too that maybe the rest of us can apply in our daily lives (inter-racial relationships being a total no-no, for example).

Come and Hear cite their inspiration behind the project as the 'British' Chief Rabbi, Jonathan Sachs. For years now, Sachs has been calling for greater understanding between religious groupings as a means of diffusing anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. Sachs has persistently contended that if only people knew the TRUTH about Judaism, anti-Semitism would quickly die out. He has consistently promoted what he calls "inter-faith dialog" as a means to get the truth out there to folks. Come and Hear have heard his call and gone one better by placing all this material on the Web so we can read it for ourselves! Therefore no need for the likes of Sachs to be put to the trouble of "explaining and interpreting" Jewish law for us. Well what did Sachs expect? That we'd simply ASK him what Judaism is really all about? With all due respect to Sachs, his tribe aren't best suited to telling the truth so the very idea was ludicrous! Come and Hear offers by far the best solution for the would-be Jewish scholar.

Friends, I urge you to visit the site, check out the resources there. Download your own free personal copy of the Babylonian Talmud, burn copies of it to CD, redistribute it to your friends, and if you feel suitably motivated, mirror the site yourselves as the folks at C&H are quite happy for you to do. Check it out today!


Anonymous said...

Phaedrus -- Private Note to you, not for publishing.

I'm a "long time listener" at your blog and appreciate your work.

I have a request: could you somehow add to your blogroll, or otherwise plug them (or one of their shows) in one of your posts.

I know this is a shameless request! But if you go there and listen to Peter Shaenk's shows of 5/8 and 5/9, you'll see that they are doing some powerful stuff there. Not same flavor as you, but useful I think.

Any help you can give is appreciated!

Phaedrus: Exploring the Machinations of World Jewry... said...

Ok, thanks for that. Sorry your message got posted, but we don't filter contributions at this site so anything sent is immediately published! I don't believe it matters in this case, however. I'll certainly check out the site you promote and if they're on the level, we'll blogroll it during our next blogrolling session.

Mikael said...

Exactly where is the uncensored Talmud posted on I've looked all over, but cannot find it. There are lots of links, but not one for the uncensored Talmud. Could you pleaser post the exact link? Thanks....M

Phaedrus: Exploring the Machinations of World Jewry... said...

Perhaps you have scripts turned off. There's a logo of a CD with a pair of legs in the middle of the home page. This logo is an active link that will take you to the download options. If you can't see it or its inactive, you need to try different browser settings. Hope this helps. P.

Anonymous said...

This site is a marvellous resource, Phaedrus, thanks for posting a link to it. Ive already burned several CDs and passed them around to friends and colleagues. Exclellnt!

Michael A. Hoffman II said...

This is total disinformation. 1. The Schottstein Talmud is NOT the "uncensored" Babylonian Talmud. 2. Come-and-Hear does not offer it online so I can only assume that someone is doing deceptive, free advertising for them in claiming they do offer it, in order to raise their Internet ratings. 3. For anyone who is interested, Come-and-Hear boycotts all publicity concerning this writer's Talmud research and news about my books on Judaism. --Michael Hoffman

Cal Dalton said...

I taste sour grapes in the Hoffman post on this thread. Having read the come-and-hear (CAH) website and also Hoffman's book Judaism Discovered, I can offer the following comments.

1. CAH provides, online, the Soncino translation of the Talmud. Hoffman calls it "Schottstein". Huh? Is Hoffman so unfamiliar with the Valentine work (which he pans) that he cannot even name the Talmud translation correctly?

2. Hoffman's work is detailed, massive and interesting but leaves much unsaid. CAH provides a broader and more accurate perspective. For instance:

a. Hoffman's book makes no mention of Elizabeth Dilling's trailblazing work on the Soncino edition of the Talmud. In contrast, CAH gives Dilling pride of place

and, incidentally, CAH also makes accessible a rare and valuable Q&A by William Dudley Pelley

b. CAH exposes the criminality of Moses and other OT characters. These, Hoffman ignores. Yet, they are the forerunners, the tone-setters of the Talmudic mindset! Check it out here

Despite the availablility of a number of English translations of the Talmud, until CAH came online in 2003, Hoffman had used only the ancient Pranaitis "Talmud Unmasked" in his critique of the Talmud. This left the credibility of his comments open to easy dispute because Pranaitis was not a recognized translator, Pranaitis's work is not a rabbinically accepted translation, and it is by no means a complete treatment of the Talmud. So why did Hoffman choose to use it?

In propaganda circles, this would be called "preaching to the choir." The few people who are already prone to criticize the Talmud would take interest, but Hoffman would not be a participant in the general dialog outside that small group. In contrast, Dilling's book and Valentine's work are based on the rabbinically popular Soncino.

With his new book, Judaism Discovered, Hoffman is into catch-up mode, but unfortunately he still falls short of the mark.

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